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Whereas a positive effect increases quality of life - a good, positive effect on your experience.

Oh, yeah.

...so in that case, to rephrase: "Until you are certain or have another way of preventing the problematic symptoms."

I would have thought that, too, if it werent for the psychoeducational therapy (edited)

Indeed. Colloquial usage as compared to usage within the discipline.

Not even that. Positive and negative are exclusive categorization to psychotic disorders.

yeah, but that is kind of how they are arranged

11:50 PM

https://study.com/academy/lesson/symptoms-of-schizophrenia-positive-and-negative.html

Symptoms of Schizophrenia: Positive and Negative - Video & Lesson ...

The symptoms of schizophrenia can be divided into two types, positive and negative. In this lesson, we'll look at both types of symptoms, examples...

11:51 PM

As we said, positive symptoms are when something is added to a person's experience that is not normally experienced by other people. Most people associate schizophrenia with the positive symptoms of the disorder.

11:52 PM

In Hattie's case, the voices she hears are a positive symptom; they are something added that most normal people do not experience. On the other hand, her lack of emotion is a negative symptom; feelings are a normal thing, and here, they've been taken away. Let's look closer at both the positive and negative symptoms of schizophrenia.

[Well idk about recommend but I probably wouldn't try and disuade mentally I'll people from tulpamancy beyond the standard it's permanent, never alone, responsible ect. Since I do think that tulpas can help with a lot of things and I don't really think they mind too much after being created to have to deal with the problems. Besides more than 1 person dealing with something makes it easier. As long as they take care of each other it should be fine.]

1:23 AM

[Except for loneliness-related issues. Totally recommend tulpas for that.]

Tulpas do help quite a few things.

1:24 AM

But, I would not encourage people who are already experiencing persistent and uncontrollable hallucinations - or people who have DID, as another example - to create a tulpa.

1:24 AM

In the case of DID, they should facilitate communication between their alters. In that way, they could even end up with the equivalent of 'tulpas' anyway.

That's a group that takes to tulpas a lot, and gets strong benefit from tulpas.

[I know DID systems have used it to gain more stability. After all one more in a system of 15+ isn't a big deal if they are the kind of person and sufficiently non-bound by the trauma to help out.]

15+.

1:31 AM

I have concerns about people claiming 15+ fully functioning tulpas. Rather, that does sound more as fragmented personality. At the very least, I do feel somewhat sad for the 13-14 that will almost certainly be inactive at any given point in time.

Unrelated, do over the counter pain killers stop head pressures?

YES!

[I mostly referred to DID systems where that is more common]

Head pressures don't hurt though

I recommend a nap and pain killers!

You're thinking of headaches

I'm asking still I don't accidently shut up my tulpa

1:33 AM

*so

Painkillers don't shut off your brain

if they shut it off you'd be dead

1:50 AM

yknow

... @BobBBob. Head pressures don't even share a postcard relationship with a reliable way to tell if a tulpa is trying to communicate.

Got it

@Felight What?

Painkillers wouldn't shut up your tulpa

Thats funny -w (edited)

Vamp/ I have definitely experienced painful head pressures.

10:01 AM

Vamp/ Short stabbing or aching pains that went away when the Tulpa seeking attention was spoken to. @Felight

Would feeling slightly uncomfortable around your tulpa when narrating/active forcing hinder one's progress? It's been 6+ months and narration still feels like trying to awkwardly talk to a classmate I don't know too well (the tup isn't vocal)

As long as you're speaking to them as if they're actually there, as if there's someone trying to hear and respond to you, you're fine.

10:08 AM

Doesn't matter how you feel about it as long as you act and think as if there's a tulpa there. That expectation is what cues your brain to make something tulpa-like in the first place. (edited)

Try to talk about things you find interesting and imagine that they are interested as well. Topics you know well and can ramble on about

10:10 AM

After being forced originally I'm about sick of listening to History, but it worked for my host :p

I do talk to them as if they're listening so we're good :> And I've been sure they exist for a while. It's hard for me to imagine my tup would be interested in the stuff I like to think about. So I'm like. Shy about it? The problem with treating them like another human being is that I assume they aren't interested, haha...

yeah, i feel the same way sometimes... it's so odd

11:36 AM

anyway, i wanted to ask... is it a bad idea to work on imposition before your tulpa is all set and stuff?

11:36 AM

like, should it only be for the "end game"?

11:36 AM

or could it maybe help, since it'd be easier to focus on your tulpa that way..?

I mean.. I guess for the most part imposition is a host/body skill, not a tulpa one.

11:40 AM

You could technically practice the bulk of imposition with objects and no tulpa at all.

11:40 AM

Your tulpa will need to learn how to project their sense of self onto the imposed image at some point, though.

People have reported success with imposition early on, but I'd personally wait until you've established some reliable form of communication and are able to visualize decently.

I can't see why it'd be much different from interacting with them in the wonderland though, aside from being more complicated.

11:41 AM

Seems fine if it helps motivate you to force.

11:41 AM

But yes, imposition is normally done post-vocality/autonomy.

alright, i see. thank you both for answering!

has there ever been any cases of a tulpa completely taking over a host's body in a bad sense

I think i watched a video saying that in that person, the original host became dormant and one of the tulpa became the new front. idk But it wasn't in the bad way you seem to be looking for, i guess. (edited)

I have quite honestly never heard of such a thing. Only paranoia about it.

6:56 PM

The only "malicious tulpas" I have seen, to respond to the typical concerns behind that question, are ones where the host was abusive and inconsiderate towards the tulpa... at least, that was the indication based on their behavior if they were even being legitimate.

6:57 PM

Most of them behaved in a quite trollish way, so I wouldn't even give much credence to their claims.

would forgetting to give your tulpa attention count as abusive

Generally not, no - I'm referring to deliberately abusive behavior.

What Winter said. Usually malicious "tulpas" tend to not have reliable backgrounds.

Tulpas are people and, like people, aren't going to be malicious for no reason. Usually some form of trauma or bad parenting is involved :v

7:02 PM

A tulpa's issues can pretty much always be solved with time and love, anyway

Tulpas also do have a fairly clear understanding of what you are trying to do and why you are doing it. (edited)

I've seen malicious tulpas and the hosts haven't been abusive or terrible at all.

Oh?

8:30 PM

Where?

Acquaintances. Friends. People.

I see.

8:36 PM

I would certainly be curious about talking to them and their experiences.

cough roleplay cough

I won't discount the possibility, but I do have my doubts - and in either case, again, I would love to speak to them myself.

Maybe I can have them join then if you doubt so much. But I will let you know that I have seen malicious tulpas in more than one person.

6:17 PM

You can't call someone else's tulpas experiences "roleplay." These are genuine people and friends of mine.

Quite frankly, there are unfortunately quite a few roleplayers in tulpa communities. That said, while I doubt what they've said at the outset, I can't agree with discounting the possibility as 'roleplay' without having spoken to them myself.

I'll let them know then and they can stop by. I can tell you now though they are not role-playing. Again, they are genuine people.

Winter, how do you tell if someone is role-playing or not?

I use the metric, if they're not posting on 4-chan then they're probably not roleplaying.

I've seen some instances where it was pretty clear people were roleplaying, but I only see that very infrequently. When people say there are "tons of roleplayers" in the community they never really point out specific examples and I'm left wondering where these "tons of roleplayers" are

@SkyeNet

6:50 PM

How is it obvious?

People who treat their tulpas like anime characters = probably roleplaying

6:51 PM

A tulpa that is evil = probably roleplaying (edited)

6:51 PM

Intentionally or not

I've discussed it before, and in the interest of politeness I don't particularly care to actively call people out unless they are making fairly clear claims that are false - or more importantly, advising other people of the veracity of their experiences using it as a basis to provide faulty information.

Can you define role-playing for me?

Strange behaviour is usually easier to explain by illness than roleplaying.

@Beckett making things up for attention

Define it clearly for me.

Inventing stories and acting them out for any reason.

That was a poor explanation.

However, as for "how I can tell", there are a few ways that I typically use. Cadence is helpful, but in addition people also tend to create one-dimensional 'characters' they can pretend to be.

When I hear "roleplaying" I think of something completely fabricated, when in reality many of those instances are just exaggerated for effect or somebody being overly worried/misinterpreting their tulpa's intentions. It's not usually the case where that person doesn't actually have a tulpa at all and they're making up everything out of nowhere

I do understand that, Winter. I do not think it is farfetched to call this creation an underdeveloped tulpa.

I would define a role-playing individual (relative to an actual tulpa) as somebody acting out a character whose 'personality' they create - this frequently manifests as a caricatured 'character' that lacks depth.

6:55 PM

Oh, it certainly could be considered such.

6:55 PM

However, when people try to pass it off as a fully developed and independent tulpa, that is where I draw the line.

I do think roleplaying is an offensive term here. I do think it should be phrased in a politer way.